Edain Demo 4.1 - Your Impressions

[CragLord]

Hi team!

Love the mod, love the dwarves update.

Just a few small bugs to report, and a couple of balance suggestions (in-case they haven't already been reported/suggested).

Bugs:
- AI doesn't build troops from laketown/dale on all maps I have tried.
- Gimli's leap doesn't seem to work.
- Dwarves' castle is too big on a few maps, walls are missing at start.
- Often building new outposts, camps or castles, plots/walls are missing.

Balance suggestions:
- Veterans of Khazad Dum are extremely strong, and relatively cheap/easy.
Suggestion: Make them less strong, or make them less chance of appearing.
- Dwarven chariots have a few problems:
Very low health, die very quickly.
High cost, but low CP. Should be high CP/cost, or low CP/cost.
They are not very useful. Only for killing enemy archers sometimes.
Suggestion: Make them higher CP & tougher, damage seems fine.

Thanks for reading my post, I hope that helps

Under section of Bugs Report you can discuss about bugs you found. Suggestions keep for this thread.

[Adrigabbro]

Hi there! It's been a long time.

I have only played Dwarves until then, so I'm not gonna discuss balance changes for other factions.
Still, you did a great job with Dwarves! I admit I was a little dubious but you managed well.

I am aware of the hotfix patch coming next so I'm not gonna mention bugs. However there are a few things that could be in my opinion improved and aren't planned as far as i know. For instance, - battlewagons take too much damage and should auto-heal upon lvl2 ;
- Dain (Iron Hills) is not strong enough and I find it weird that he costs almost 1000 less than his son ;
- I got it: you're gonna stick with your designs for Iron Hills and Erebor, and, after all, I'm even fine with that, concerning regular units. Indeed they're pretty good to be totally honest. But I think Iron Hills slayers and Erebor axe swingers really deserve an upgrade. There's plenty of stuff in BotFA's art.
- The spelltree could use some tweaks I think. For instance the lone tower is not unique in any way (Gondor) and doesn't fit to dwarves I believe. Also the spell 'Greed' is so hazardous it does not even seem worth it to me. I personnaly liked the vanilla 'Dwarves wealth': Dwarves are rich and need to played like that. Just like a good Isengard, sort of.

Anyway, all the other stuff (in 4.1 and to come, like Thorin's regal armor and new palantir for Erebor Dain) is great. I especially LOVE that you changed the hideous beast that used to led battlewagons by rams. My general feedback is very positive, be sure of that.

Also, I don't really know who send you what english voices, but if you desire voices from X or Y and you haven't got them yet, I'd be glad to help for the cutting.

[Adrigabbro]

The more I play the more I'm getting used to your designs and the more I like them. I even understand now why you've chosen to stick to them. You were right on that one
However I can't help but disliking the spells Greed and Lone Tower for respectively gameplay and uniqueness reasons. The former is way too hazardous to be fun. The latter doesn't fit into the faction ambience.

[Sir_Stig]

The more I play the more I'm getting used to your designs and the more I like them. I even understand now why you've chosen to stick to them. You were right on that one
However I can't help but disliking the spells Greed and Lone Tower for respectively gameplay and uniqueness reasons. The former is way too hazardous to be fun. The latter doesn't fit into the faction ambience.

I would prefer a rebuild over a lone tower honestly.

[Ealendril der Dunkle]

Edain Patch 4.1.1 is out now! You can download it directly with the edain-launcher, just use the update function.

We will translate our news into english soon.

You want the test our new Necromancer concept or play with Thorin in his epic armor? Have fun with it!

[CragLord]

306 MB, looks like you had a lot things to update.

[Darkslayer]

Fantastic job, as usual. Just hoping someone puts in Dain with his movie voice at some point, as I loved Billy Connolly's performance in the last Hobbit movie.

Excited for Misty Mountains, but in particular I can't wait to see the Elves! Keep up the good work guys!

[Tienety]

A couple of my impressions from 4.1.1:

Sauron is now more interesting hero. Fire form and all new abilities are a great.

New system for Veterans and Travel Camp is much better. Good job.
Also I think that Greed spell with random effects needs change. Isengard has two spells without random effects for improve the economy. Greed spell can sometimes destroy own mine.

New Thorin(both) design looks wonderfully. I think he should get a new palantir picture with a crown on level 10.

I am glad that Fili and Kili have more abilities and mithril. But I think that this is unfair for Erebor and Iron Hills only with six heroes. Fili and Kili are almost normal heroes.

I love the new voices for Thorin III., Hasharii and Gloin. But Old Bilbo still does not speak. 
Dain voice is strange mix movie voices and something else. This is like Elrond with voices from Matrix and Lord of the Rings.
In addition, He has only half sentences from movie(Missing sentences/words like: Gandalf the Grey; Azog; For back to the mountain; To battle, son of Durin!; Oh, COME ON!...etc) 
I think it would be better if Dain has only all sentences from movie.

Great patch, I look forward to more factions.

 

[FG15]

Nearly all of Dains scence's in the movies were full of loud background voices (fighting, screaming, music, ...), which makes it unable to use the audio of these scences, because it would sound horrible. Also, most of the time he is shouting, or his voice is tainted in another way.
So, movie Dain would sum up to less than 10 acceptable voices, which is quite poor, and does not make a sufficient soundset at all.
There were two possibilities. Either two keep his old soundset, or to cut voices from other movies and videos. Therefore, Dain got more than 30 audio files, which is still not very much for a major hero, but has to be enough.

If the community does prefer it, of course, we can give him back his old soundset.

[Adrigabbro]

Sauron is now more interesting hero. Fire form and all new abilities are a great.

New system for Veterans and Travel Camp is much better. Good job.
Also I think that Greed spell with random effects needs change. Isengard has two spells without random effects for improve the economy. Greed spell can sometimes destroy own mine.

I agree with everything here.

[Tienety]

Nearly all of Dains scence's in the movies were full of loud background voices (fighting, screaming, music, ...), which makes it unable to use the audio of these scences, because it would sound horrible. Also, most of the time he is shouting, or his voice is tainted in another way.
So, movie Dain would sum up to less than 10 acceptable voices, which is quite poor, and does not make a sufficient soundset at all.
There were two possibilities. Either two keep his old soundset, or to cut voices from other movies and videos. Therefore, Dain got more than 30 audio files, which is still not very much for a major hero, but has to be enough.

If the community does prefer it, of course, we can give him back his old soundset.

OK, I understand. It is a pity that all Dain's voices can not be used.
I think that you can keep present voices mix for now. Maybe Dain will have more voices in Extended Edition. 

[CragLord]

Nearly all of Dains scence's in the movies were full of loud background voices (fighting, screaming, music, ...), which makes it unable to use the audio of these scences, because it would sound horrible. Also, most of the time he is shouting, or his voice is tainted in another way.
So, movie Dain would sum up to less than 10 acceptable voices, which is quite poor, and does not make a sufficient soundset at all.
There were two possibilities. Either two keep his old soundset, or to cut voices from other movies and videos. Therefore, Dain got more than 30 audio files, which is still not very much for a major hero, but has to be enough.

If the community does prefer it, of course, we can give him back his old soundset.

Do you have anyone who knows how to filtrate that background noice and sounds and do a segmentation of speech? Think some improvenent maybe could be done in frequency domain of sound signal (file). Right know I don't have too much free time, but I can try to do that in future, have some knowledge in Matlab.

[Darkslayer]

Nearly all of Dains scence's in the movies were full of loud background voices (fighting, screaming, music, ...), which makes it unable to use the audio of these scences, because it would sound horrible. Also, most of the time he is shouting, or his voice is tainted in another way.
So, movie Dain would sum up to less than 10 acceptable voices, which is quite poor, and does not make a sufficient soundset at all.
There were two possibilities. Either two keep his old soundset, or to cut voices from other movies and videos. Therefore, Dain got more than 30 audio files, which is still not very much for a major hero, but has to be enough.

If the community does prefer it, of course, we can give him back his old soundset.

Personally I wouldn't mind having background noise with Dain's lines. I can't get enough of Billy Connolly's portrayal! Lol

[CosmicPanda]

Hi,

Is there any chance you could add more resolutions in the launcher? I currently play 1920 x 1080 which if fine. However two of my friends cannot select an appropriate resolution. Previoulsy with the RotwK you could select an resolution display via the opitions.ini folder which now seems to be removed because the Edain Launcher.

Resolutions to add:

1440 x 900
1300 x 700

Cheers! - Keep up the good work, my mates will be so grateful! 

[Turin Turumbar]

Changing it via options.ini should still work. But I am going to add them in the next update.